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« on: May 02, 2011, 01:57:11 PM »

Have a 251 Proline 1995 just upgraded to a 225 Optimax With 3/4 tank of fuel. At 4000 RPM 10.6 GPH and at 4200 11.4 GPH Whats considered good fuel economy. Smells a little rich at Idle Motor has 29 Hours on it TIA
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2011, 08:29:43 PM »

that sound pretty good to me.  I have a 24' cc with twin yam's f150.  With the new 10% crap fuel, I get 2.4 mpg running at 26 mph, approx 3500rpm.  I seem to do better than most.  I think you are in good shape. 
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 09:23:44 AM »

that sound pretty good to me.  I have a 24' cc with twin yam's f150.  With the new 10% crap fuel, I get 2.4 mpg running at 26 mph, approx 3500rpm.  I seem to do better than most.  I think you are in good shape. 

Question is that per motor and isn't 10.6 and 11.3 a lot more in fuel consumption??
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 08:13:46 PM »

That is total fuel consumption.  Basically, at 25 mph I use 10 gal per hour totally.  That is with twin four stroke F150 Yam's, 2 people, basically a light load.  If I load the boat down, 4 people, which isn't may times, it will drop to 2.2mph.  For a larger heavier boat, sounds good to me!
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2011, 01:29:46 PM »

Maybe I'm a little late to think about this (already bought the boat), but does a pair of 7.4LX with Bravo 3's use a lot of gas?   It's a 12,000 lb. 3250 Express. 



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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2011, 04:27:51 PM »

COME ON GUYS THEY ARE BOATS. Wink Sail boats are too slow for me to fish very conveniently Cheesy
Use your Fuel flow meter(or get one) and gps-speedo to optimize your trim ,loading and speed  . put trim in center ,or most common position for first set of readings.
Make yourself a "fuel curve chart", take a piece of graph paper, put fuel flow on left side , engine speed on bottom, run boat in normal conditions, both dirrections.
start at idle , make a reading at every 100 rpm and note it, do this at until you have basic data, then pick revs you are actually going to use and adjust trim to
maximize economy at those points. you dont have to graph last 500rpm if you dont want.
A rule of thumb is for gasoline ,max fuel flow is near 1gph per 10 hp output.
if you are burning 15gph you are likely pushing out about 150, 20gph ~=200 etc.

2 drives increases base drag over 1. but bigger boats need the 2drives.
speeds below plane are fuel swillers ,except displacement  hull speed= 4.5-6knots for most of us.
when boat hull gets up on plane mileage will likely increase "for a while" and then level for a bit, your ffm calculations will show this, then suddenly more revs wiill
use a lot more fuel and drop mileage steadily.

if your motors are in good tune, props right for setup, hull bottom clean and trim
in the mid range, most of us can cruise well in the 19-28 knot range, paying a price above or below that.
lots of factors will affect your economy , especially the need to slow for sea conditions, the desire to trim to improve ride and visibility, load, prop condition etc etc.

WE are making a lot of decisions that affect fuel use, steering a true course can help too on longer runs.
deeper Vs sometimes take a bit more to move, but give a smoother ride, flatter bottoms plane and skim easy but beat us to pulp.
small props that slip a lot may also cost a bit of fuel ,as big blade area and high pitch may strain engines- but get better economy.
so many trade offs.    Banging Head

For reference 231, single5.7 Carb ,bravo 2, 3blade, 138gal. +100#kicker 3 large men,100# ice,100# gear etc, 3batteries,tool box., bait tank water....
WE can get~ 4+mpg on  kicker but Main= ~2.5-2.8  calm day ,light load (almost never) and  just ~1.5 -2.0 nautical mpg when fueled up, gear and crew running into normal sea, trolling tuna and slogging back -
biiggest  real factor is if we split the fuel 1-2-3 or 4ways.
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72 gallons, $4.20/gal  /#guys -- is about  $300/150/100/75 fuel per angler.

For the guy with the 3250, IMHO you "need" those 7.4 b3s for big boat, thats 3tons per motor ,they can give you good engine life.
7.4 is ok iff you keep it below  3000-3200 rpm or where "secondaries" open if carb motors.
Yam OB's often have fuel flow data on Instrument readout, the rest may find a fuel flow meters info will pay for the meter or most of it. and totalizer info is a lot better than fuel gauges driven by float sensor. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2011, 03:09:46 AM »

231Cal, I meant that fuel question with tongue in cheek  Wink, as I know I'm gonna have to pay for my load.

However, you have great suggestions about how to max my milage and since I don't have specs yet on where my optimum is, I'll follow your suggestions and chart my RPM/trim/fuel, etc. 

Splitting the bill is also great.  Do you think my wife will pay half? And that's a  Wink!

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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2011, 12:45:13 PM »

Have a 251 Proline 1995 just upgraded to a 225 Optimax With 3/4 tank of fuel. At 4000 RPM 10.6 GPH and at 4200 11.4 GPH Whats considered good fuel economy. Smells a little rich at Idle Motor has 29 Hours on it TIA
Gulf' as you know I have the same boat with the same engine. I was getting terrible numbers so after some education and research I've learned my prop sucks. I'm getting a new Enertia 14p from PropGods.com in Sarasota. Ken is the man there and will help anyone...that's what he does.

However, in your case, your rpm:fuel burn numbers look spot on to what I'm hoping to achieve. I'd be interested to know what prop and pitch you have and your boat speed at the rpm's you quoted.

Here are posted numbers for a 26Walk with a Honda 225 carrying two guys, 113 gallons of fuel, on choppy Sarasota Bay. This boat is essentially the same as ours, just a tad shorter, a little less headroom, same deadrise. Ken says I should easily be able to achieve these numbers. This boat gear ratio is higher than our Opti's so it's using a 15p. My present prop is the original Vengeance.

Enertia 15 pitch
4000 20mph 10.7gph 35% slip 1.8 MPG
4260 24.6mph 11gph 24% slip 2.33 MPG
4400 27.4mph 11.6gph 18% slip 2.36 MPG
5000 33.5mph 13.8gph 12% slip 2.42 MPG
5700 38mph 19.1gph 13% slip 1.98 MPG

As you can see, your rpm:fuel burn comparison is pretty close.
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